Doll Closet: Day Three
Streaming Footage Part One
Streaming Footage Part Two
Jesse Call-in Transcription
(timecode from Streaming Footage Part One)
AMBER: Hi Jesse.
JESSE: Hi how are you doing?
AMBER: Good. You sound a little raspy.
JESSE: I just got over my cold. So, yea. Just my voice is probably still lagging a little bit.
AMBER: Maybe because you know, we’re talking for like an hour a day.
JESSE: Oh. No it’s all right.
AMBER: So how was work yesterday?
JESSE: It was good. I kept busy. It wasn’t too bad. I mean there wasn’t as many as the day before on my birthday so.
AMBER: Oh my god that’s right. Did you spill any coffee on yourself?
JESSE: No, I actually didn’t drink any. Oh, yes. I did. How’s it going with the build?
AMBER: It’s going well. I have a whole list of questions for you. I’m just right now posting on Facebook that we’re doing our call in. So let me just do that really quick.
JESSE: Ok. I think I only have like a half hour today because I have to finish that stuff I’m doing in the living room. And then get a shower.
AMBER: OK. Can I just jump into some technical stuff?
AMBER: So my first question is, now that—well this is something that we went over yesterday.
AMBER: So now that the door is 7 and a half feet tall, you know?
AMBER: Instead of six feet tall or eight feet tall, um could you just go over again how I should do the inside frame. So the inside frame with the 2x2’s, it’s like you said something about on the right and left I should have a certain space. And the top and bottom there should be no space, right?
JESSE: Yes. Well, what side are you going to put your hinges on?
AMBER: On the left.
JESSE: On the left. So the left side of the door should just barely touch the inside of the frame. So you’ll be able to see the frame, like the drawings I sent you yesterday—you’ll be able to see the frame on the left side because the door has to swing on the hinges and it has to pass that left side of the frame. I mean, it can’t be held by that side of the frame because it has to swing inward. And on the right side it should cover the frame so it’s hidden.
AMBER: So, that I understand. But I mean the inside frame, the 2x2 frame.
JESSE: Oh, ok.
AMBER: So on the left, I assume because the plywood is not um, covering the 2x4 that the 2x2 should be flush with the left side of the plywood. Is that right?
AMBER: OK, so on the left the two by two is flush.
JESSE: Yea, with the frame.
AMBER: With the 2x4 frame.
JESSE: You know I would leave probably a half inch gap because it’s going to—you know, even the outside of the plywood that you’re looking at if you’re looking at the door, there should maybe be a sixteen or an 1/8 of an inch gap. Just because I don’t know what thickness you bought. Do you know what it is? Is it half inch?
AMBER: Yea, half inch.
JESSE: Ok, well there’s going to be, it’s going to stand out a little bit farther from the center point of the hinge so there’s going to be you might have to, I cant really tell you for sure, but you might have make some adjustments for how it turns on the hinge points.
JESSE: Because it might still rub a little bit so you might have to do something about that.
AMBER: So there’s maybe like a 16th inch gap between the plywood and the 2x4 frame?
AMBER: So then you can see through there right?
AMBER: Oh wow, ok.
JESSE: And then, in my case, when the original door was put up in the room that I put the doll closet, the left side of the door was hidden behind some trim, the trim work that was around the door that you come in to the room with. You remember that door how it had the trim and there was a cross above the door? Well all of that trim hid the left side so when the door was closed the left side of the door came up against that trim. So, that’s kind of what I recommend in your case is, well I mean, just for this presentation I don’t think you would have to finish it like that, but I was going to say you could put some trim around the door way to hide that gap.
AMBER: Yea, I will because I bought some trim, um on the bottom.
AMBER: But, I have baseboard trim, but that won’t work, right? Like, what’s the kind of trim that people put around a door? Is it baseboard?
JESSE: No, it’s a fancier, curvier, it’s got more curves to it. So, yea.
JESSE: Just ask for window trim and that’s basically the same. I mean door trim, window trim-- it’s all the same stuff.
JESSE: And the inside of that, the 2x2 frame should be flush on the top and bottom, it should be flush with the 2x4 frame.
JESSE: Because you don’t want there to be too much of a gap between the locking pins and the holes that they’re going into. So you want it to be close as possible.
AMBER: Ok. And then what about on the right side? How much should the distance be between the 2x4 frame and the 2x2 frame?
JESSE: You know what, I think on the right side it should be flush also.
JESSE: And, uh, the left side is more critical. I would say maybe leave a half-inch gap.
AMBER: Ok, leave a half inch gap between the 2x4 and the 2x2 frames, and then leave a 1/16th inch space between the plywood and the door frame—
AMBER: And then get a closet or door window trim to cover that gap?
AMBER: Now I was thinking last night, I was in the shower just thinking about the door and um, I know that you never painted your door but I’m thinking of painting mine pink to match the wall.
JESSE: That’s what I would have done, yea.
JESSE: It’s just that I, I never I never really finished it because no one really questioned it being plywood but only a couple people saw it. But if anybody would have you know questioned it, and they probably would have expected me to put drywall in it’s place and no one paints the—
JESSE: Plywood like that. You don’t patch a wall with plywood, so, that’s why I never painted it because if I did, then I would have been ridiculed more for painting over the plywood than I would for just putting plywood up instead of drywall.
AMBER: Now, keeping it plywood just made it look like it was in progress.
AMBER: Yea. Well, I think I’m going to paint mine pink even though it’s not the way you did it because I’m in the mood to. I just want to see what it would look like all totally pink.
JESSE: Yea that’d be good.
AMBER: And I was thinking about, oh my gosh some pieces of Heather are falling. Are you watching, are you watching the stream?
JESSE: I am.
AMBER: In thirty seconds you’ll se it.
JESSE: The one hand or what?
AMBER: No, the small pieces of Heather.
AMBER: They’ve fallen onto the ground. I’ve got to pick it up. You know, it’s so hard to arrange all the pieces with the build. I want them to be present to witness the build but it’s logistically a little difficult. Maybe I’ll put them on this chair that I’m sitting on today.
AMBER: That way I can use my ladder chair.
AMBER: Um, ok. So, sorry I’m so technical today but I just know we’re limited on time and I want to make sure I make some doll door progress.
JESSE: There they go. Yea.
AMBER: OK, so my next question is, now that the door is 7 and ½ feet tall, um, will I have enough scrap of 2x2 to make those 2 inch long pieces, three for each side?
JESSE: Um, how many pieces of the 2x2 did you get?
AMBER: Four, like you told me to.
JESSE: Ok. I think you’ll have plenty.
JESSE: Because the door’s only what, two feet wide maybe?
AMBER: 37 and ½ inches at the top and 37 inches at the bottom.
JESSE: Oh, that’s bigger than I thought it was. That’s ‘cause the door’s so tall it looked like it’s a skinnier doorway.
AMBER: Yea, exactly.
JESSE: Ok, um, so…2 feet, 6 feet, and then there’s one, yea you’ll have some left over.
AMBER: Ok, so I won’t worry about that. But I wonder if now that my door is taller than yours was should I do four 2 inch 2x2s on each side instead of 3 on each side? For the pin holding?
JESSE: You can if you want to. I think there, what are they each 4 inch, or 4 feet long, each one of the steel rods?
AMBER: Yes. And I have two, and so I know that’s enough because I held it up and there’s still 2 inches of over hang.
JESSE: Yea but, um, 8 inches, you’re only going to have a foot, or half a foot left over. And you’ll need, you’ll need one that goes to the lock cylinder also. A rod.
AMBER: A rod?
JESSE: Yea. The rod that goes to the lock cylinder. It may be, yea it’s going to be longer than six inches I think.
AMBER: So do I need another rod?
JESSE: You may have to get another smaller, shorter one. Yea.
AMBER: Ok. So things I need to get at the hardware store is another rod—
JESSE: A hole saw.
AMBER: And door or window trim
JESSE: Mm’hm. A hole saw.
AMBER: I also need another—I’m just reminding myself of some thing that we haven’t talked about, but I need one more floor trim. Floor board.
AMBER: Ok, so that answers that. How many inches apart are the 2 inch 2x2 pieces?
JESSE: It doesn’t matter. I would just think what I did was just take the overall distance and divided it after you subtract the total width of the 2x2s so if you have four, there’s going to be 8 inches. Minus the seven and half feet, or however long your rods have to be. They might have to be—if your door’s 7 and a half feet than it’s going to have to be 7 and a half plus two more inches. You know what I mean? Because the rods stick out.
AMBER: On the top and the bottom?
JESSE: Actually that’s not true because the rods, the rods are incorporated in the 2x2 frame, so they’re not sticking up past the plywood so, yea that’s not true. I think your’e going to be fine with the 7 and a half and then that... You’re still going to need another rod just to make sure but—
JESSE: I just took the total distance that the rods had to be and let’s just say, let’s just say 7 feet minus the 8 inches from 4 of those 2x2s if you’re going to use 4 of them, and then divide that by what, what’s that going to make, 5 spaces in between them?
And then you’ll know how far to space them out.
AMBER: Ok, so I’ll do a little math.
JESSE: Yea, and the bottom one, you know honestly I think you can get away with just using 3 because the bottom, the bottom rod is going to be supported by the wheel that turns everything so you won’t need another one down there.
AMBER: Ok. So I’ll just use three. That will give me more scrap anyway. And I think I have strong control over the circular saw now but just in case then I can make a mistake and not have to get another 2x2.
AMBER: Ok, and then it looked to me like you drew in the tutorial video, that after you measured how far apart the 2x2 2 inch pieces were, that you used the carpenter’s square to draw with the pencil all the way across?
AMBER: Is that right? Just to be like triple sure that they’re measured on each side.
JESSE: Well, you just want to make sure that they’re square because if they’re not square and you’ve already drilled a hole through all 4 of them, or all 3 of them, that’s got to be--just use 3 because your drill bit won’t go through 4 of them at a time anyway, so, and it might not even go through 3 at a time—you want the hole to be square and you also want the edges to be square because when you’re screwing that up to the one side 2x2 you want the holes to be square and parallel to the sides or the wires will get stuck in there.
AMBER: Right. That’s a good segway to my next question which is I feel confused about the part of the tutorial where you—and now, you’ll see in 30 seconds what I’m holding up, which is just the pin—
AMBER: The rod I mean. But you also call it a pin. So, now I have my drill bit set, which is the Crayola set up that we talked about and then you picked a drill bit that is smaller than the rod right?
JESSE: No, a little bit bigger than the rod.
AMBER: Oh, bigger than the rod.
AMBER: Ok, but the thing is like the one that’s a little bigger than the rod is so short, how can it possibly go through three pieces?
JESSE: It won’t. That’s the problem I ran into also. You can go through maybe two.
JESSE: And, but if not, you’ll at least go through the top one and then make a hole in the next one down that you can, so you know where to start. Then you take that top one off and drill all the way through the next one down and…Just as long as the holes are all pretty much in the same spot in each one of the 2x2 pieces.
AMBER: Ok. Well, this is super good. So now my next question is um, you said to rough up the metal a little bit on the ends?
JESSE: Just the ends that you have to put into that long spacer. You have a long spacer that’s about ¾ of an inch, maybe an inch long, and you want to rough up the edges of the rods, the you know pieces of round stock so that the super glue that you’re going to put into that spacer, so that it has something to adhere and lock into when it’s set--
AMBER: Are you talking—Sorry, can I interrupt you for a second?
AMBER: Are you talking about the nylon spacer?
AMBER: Ok, so the only part of the metal that gets roughed up is the part that goes inside the nylon spacer?
JESSE: Yea, the long one.
AMBER: So, hold on, I have a 1-inch long one, is that the one you mean?
JESSE: Yes. And all the rest of them are just the small pieces.
JESSE: The, the smaller ones are just there to lock into that wheel, you’ll be able to press them on, they’ll fit firm enough to lock into that wheel.
AMBER: Ok, now I’m holding up a wheel. It’s the one that you gave me at your house.
AMBER: That’s what you mean, right?
AMBER: Ok, then the way that I rough up the metal is with this grinder?
JESSE: Yea, do you have a grinder?
AMBER: Yea. I’m getting it out right now. So I have a grinding disk for metal or stainless, that’s the one that I use?
AMBER: Ok, in 30 seconds you’ll see what I’m holding up, I just want to double check it’s the grinder. I got Milwaukee brand instead of Dewalt because, you know, it’s Midwestern.
JESSE: That’s good too.
AMBER: Yea, and I like the color red.
JESSE: There’s the wheel.
AMBER: Yea, so this is right?
JESSE: No, I was looking at the wheel that I cut. Now, the other one. Yea, that’s the right thing. Yep.
AMBER: Ok. Well, I’m also (ind) and it comes with a tote bag, so I’m pretty excited about that.
JESSE: Yea. Good.
AMBER: I think that’s all my questions. My goal today is I have to like, I did a pretty good job with the circular saw on the plywood, but the problem is, I know I keep talking about this, so I’m just repeating myself, but since it’s a little wider at top that it is at the bottom, it’s hard for me to make a diagonal line. I found a good tutorial with someone that I perceive to be butch and I was kind of into her. I don’t know if you saw the video that I posted on the Facebook—
JESSE: I heard her though, talking about how to use the circular saw and table saw.
AMBER: Yea, I was pretty into that video, so that was really helpful and um, then I also found another video of someone who taught me how to basically cut it on the floor and so that person said to use a like, to make a fence basically so I used some of the floor, or what I’m going to end up using as floorboard as the guide, as the fence.
JESSE: Ok, good. I saw that.
AMBER: Yea, so that was awesome but to make a diagonal was nearly impossible so I’m going to trim that up a little bit—
AMBER: And then I’m going to make the 2x2 frame, and then I’m going to use the scrap to make the 2 inch, 2x2 pieces, and then I’m going to put the holes in them, and then I’m going to screw them in the frame, and just test out putting the rod in, but that’s probably as far as I’m going to get today. And then, I have a really good friend who’s in town for the performance, and she’s out running errands right now, because we figured out that—remember when I held up to the camera what I thought was a circle saw and it is but it’s for a drill press, not for—
JESSE: Oh, a hole saw?
AMBER: Oh, sorry. A hole saw. So, she’s going to get a hole saw for the Dewalt um, drill.
AMBER: So then I’ll be able to you know, hopefully tomorrow early work on the um, work on the knot of wood.
JESSE: Yea, and don’t forget you’ll need another hole saw that—I think I listed there’s two different hole saw sizes that you need. One is for drilling down into the 2x2 to put the lock cylinder into.
JESSE: So you might want to have her get that too.
AMBER: What size should that one be?
JESSE: I don’t know I have it listed on there, somewhere. I think it’s like, I think it might be the one-inch.
AMBER: Ok, I’ll look at that again because I missed that—oh, I know what it was, because I sent that list to Watermill Center—
JESSE: Oh ok.
AMBER: And what they said is that they had everything on there, which they did except that that was the right drill press so I bet that they have to but they’re both for the drill press. Ok. So I’ll take a second look at that and then ask my friend to pick up a smaller one also.
AMBER: So I should write that down.
JESSE: And then the spade bit—you have a ¾ inch wood spade bit?
AMBER: Um, no. I don’t think so. So, two hole saws
JESSE: Well, just uh—
AMBER: Spade bit? What’s a spade bit?
JESSE: It’s for boring a hole through wood. (1:36:55) So that one piece that I cut to mount the lock cylinder into, did you see that?
AMBER: Um, I keep re-watching the video but I can only handle parts at a time because I realized when I kept watching the whole video, it wasn’t helpful. Like now I’m just breaking it down into pieces.
JESSE: Yea, that’s why I cut it into, well, actually you know what honestly I used to do is set up the iPad on Heather’s old chair, I set up the iPad, and I had wheels on it and I rolled the iPad to wherever I needed it. And then I did, recorded a step and then I ran over and stopped it, and then just you know, a step at a time. So, and I was thinking on my feet, you know, I didn’t really have it all planned out, so.
AMBER: You did so great, Jesse. I’ve been able to refer to it over and over. I’m so grateful for-- first of all can I also just say, I’m so grateful to be making this performance with you.
AMBER: It’s awesome.
JESSE: Well, I’m honored that you’re doing it and you know, like at work, I was sitting there looking at it on my phone, watching it and stuff, and I’m thinking, you know, I want to be there so bad to help you on some of the things you get stuck with but, it’s just, I just can’t really fathom, it’s kind of hard to believe that you’re in New York doing this thing that’s based on a thing I did years ago. Is it because you thought—and it’s a really cool idea, you know, it is like you said, it’s a way to bring out conversations on closets and things that people try to repress and it is a good segway into that and I hope other people call in Saturday.
JESSE: Um, I may just, you know, not talk about that kind of stuff today. I’ll just keep on--
AMBER: I understand.
JESSE: If you want to talk about technical stuff, but maybe later on we can get into that again but—
JESSE: Today I’m kind of pressed for time because I’m putting the window sill back on the bay window the living room, and then finishing up the fireplace, so.
JESSE: I’m kind of, I’m kind of being um made fun of because I don't have it done yet, so.
AMBER: Oh, I gotcha’. Well, I’ll let you go then it just a minute. I just wanted to say quickly, because you brought it up, but when you watch me on Livestream and you notice things that I you know, am struggling with, with the tools—
AMBER: Like I kind of understand how that feels, because I have that a little bit, just like a little tug, when you talk about nail polish.
AMBER: And like the, the press-on nails. So, I’m kind of like, ‘oh, I know exactly where to get those, that would be so fun.’ And we could do it together. And I know how to do that and I could help you and you know like, that’s how I'm imagining—and I don’t know for sure—but I’m imagining that that’s how you feel when you, and other people have written to be like, ‘You know that you need to like, pull your hair back when you use a circular saw, for example.
AMBER: But, I’m wondering if there’s a parallel there. I know you’re pressed for time, but maybe we can talk about that another time.
JESSE: Yea, I mean I have a couple more minutes but you know, I uh, it just, if you need to, or I don't’ know how, how you’re iPhone situation is, I don’t know if you have it on you all the time, but—
AMBER: Yea, I do.
JESSE: Like yesterday I saw that you were wondering why the plywood didn’t meet the top of the frame and everything and I was trying to say oh, that’s what you want. Don’t worry about that, and I could see you were kind of upset, kind of worried about it. But, um, yea it’s better that you cut it down to 7 and a half-foot.
AMBER: Yea, I feel really glad about that and you know, all we did was change—because you know, now there’s like 3 feet between the top of the closet and the top of the actual ceiling, but all we did was change the camera angle a little bit and—
JESSE: Yea, it looks good.
AMBER: It looks good in the angle today. It just isn’t continuous with yesterday. You know, I’m just a little weird about that stuff.
JESSE: Well, maybe you can crop the video a little bit in post-production.
AMBER: Yea. I mean, that’s not my end. The thing is, you know how I am with Ren, and he’s so good with that stuff and when he hears me talk about technical stuff because I use all the wrong words. Um, we have lots of inside jokes and he and I are laughing at each other right now. We’re smiling. It’s kind of like how I talk about tools. I’m sure you’re just rolling your eyes, but that’s how it goes.
JESSE: Yea. I mean, you’ll learn. If you want to, you know, you’ll get better at it. You might even be inspired to do other things with it so.
AMBER: I know, who knows what I’ll build.
JESSE: That’s what I’ve always been into, I like to—and my brother as well—you know, you learn by doing. We never, there’s no such thing as you can’t or you don’t know how. You just set off on doing it and then you get the experience and you do more with it later on.
AMBER: Well, you know, I really appreciated you posting on ODC today. I posted—mostly because people had already posted picture of their doll closets—and Ace gave me permission to repost his so I posted them on the Facebook event page and then I’ll post them on my blog. And I wrote some other people directly, but did you see those pictures that Cred posted? They’re awesome.
JESSE: Of uh, his space in the basement?
AMBER: Yea, I mean I’ve seen that space but what I really loved is the picture with the doll building the space.
JESSE: Oh yea and then Camp helping out?
AMBER: Yea, I’m really hoping that Cred and Camp call in so—
JESSE: Yea, that’d be nice.
AMBER: But Davecat’s going to Skype in and that’s the other thing before, before we go, we’ll say goodbye because then I know you have to get to the bay window but I wondered what time worked for you for doing a, Watermill calls it an open rehearsal, so basically it’s just open to the public tomorrow for two hours from 4 to six, so what time works for you to call in? I was hoping you could call in at 5.
JESSE: Is tomorrow Friday? Sorry.
AMBER: Tomorrow is Saturday, right?
JESSE: It is?
AMBER: Hold on. Let me see what day it is. I’ve been in this room. Yea today’s Friday so tomorrow is Saturday and I know you said weekends are harder for you but you could find five minutes or so to talk away.
JESSE: You know, if I can make an excuse to go down to the carwash or something I might do that. But, yea, what time you say, 4 to 6?
AMBER: Four to six, five o’clock would be ideal for me, but really, whatever time works for you.
JESSE: I’ll try 5 o’clock, if not you know, I’ll text you and let you know.
AMBER: Ok, but I don’t—I feel worried sometimes when I text you. I don't know how you have me entered in your phone. But I know you said your fiancé would maybe feel confused if you were receiving texts from someone.
JESSE: Ok, I’ll tell you a little secret.
JESSE: You’re name is Elle in my phone.
AMBER: Like “L” just the letter or e-l-l-e?
JESSE: Oh no, A-L.
AMBER: Oh, smart.
JESSE: Al. Al Swanson. And then I delete every text after, you know, I kind of like, I take a screenshot of it and I put it off in a hidden place and then you know that way I can refer back to them if I want to see what we’ve texted.
AMBER: Well, that’s so smart.
JESSE: Well, yea. I can’t afford to have any problems. She’s, she’s one of those who’s just worried about every little thing and anything my family says and stuff like that so. It’s just kind of, kind of got me worried. But as far as us, I don’t think there’s going to be any problem but--
AMBER: Well, so, I won’t worry about texts. It’s not like I’m going to text your face off but I’ll just text the check in tomorrow because we won’t have our—you know, we’ve been talking every day at noon but we won’t have our talk at noon tomorrow—I’m going to swap the order of the day where I build in the morning and then do calls at night.
AMBER: Or, you know, in the evening from 4 to 6. Even if I’m Skyping with Davecat, which I will be, we’re going to set up the monitor to do that—
JESSE: Ok. Um, tomorrow—
AMBER: Even if that’s happening and you know, and that’s when you’re available I’ll just call you in because you know, we’re working on a, or on my end anyway tomorrow, I’ll still be on my ground line even if you’re on the cellphone, and then I can still be Skyping with Davecat. It’s fine.
JESSE: Ok. So for the sake of audio and everything, I’ve been recording like I said with my iPhone off to the side here, but tomorrow I’ll probably have to call in with my iPhone because I don’t know where I’m going to be so, you know, I won’t have any audio for that day.
AMBER: That’s ok, because what we’ll do is if the audio sounds different we’ll just include some of the introduction that you’re like at the carwash, you know?
AMBER: So that’s no problem.
JESSE: All right.
AMBER: Aw, good luck with the bay window, and you know, go get showered. Is it snowing there?
JESSE: No, is it supposed to?
AMBER: I don’t know but it snowed a little bit here and I know that we’re just states away and sometimes it comes on your side. Like when I drove to your house, it was so sad to me to drive into the snow.
AMBER: Because we had gotten it in New York, and you are all just a little before us that way.
JESSE: And then on the way to New York we ran into snow in Pennsylvania. After that it was not too bad.
JESSE: But there was people going off the road left and right so.
JESSE: All right.
AMBER: All right, well, I’ll talk to you tomorrow and we’ll text in the meantime but I’m really excited to get going with this 2x2 frame.
JESSE: Ok, good.
AMBER: All right, have a great day.
JESSE: Yea, you too.