DOLL CLOSET: Day Six Streaming Footage and Transcription

Doll Closet: Day Six

Streaming Footage Part One

Streaming Footage Part Two

Jesse Call-in Transcription
(timecode from Streaming Footage Part One)

JESSE: Hello.
AMBER: How are you?
JESSE: Good. How are you doing?
AMBER: Good. You were running errands?
JESSE: Yes, I don't’ know what happened here, I don’t know what, the phone kept showing up something else coming in and I’d answer it and it would be the dial tone. Yea I was running errands and I’m going to do some car work this afternoon. My stepmom broke her leg last week so I had to visit her. How’s it going?
AMBER: Wait, are you off work today?
AMBER: Oh, that’s nice. Are you of on—what day is it even, Monday?
JESSE: Monday. I’m always off on Mondays.
AMBER: Oh I had no idea. That’s cool. Um, it’s not a rotation, for whatever reason I thought it was like a rotating day off during the week.
AMBER: Um, I’m sorry to hear that your stepmom broke her leg.
JESSE: Yea, it was last year—last week. I had to, I figured I’d go and visit while I was going to get some oil and stuff. I want to do some oil changes while it’s nice here in Ohio, it’s about 50 degrees.
JESSE: So I thought I’d do that.
AMBER: Awesome, and it’s sunny too?
AMBER: Yea, it was really sunny here yesterday. We took a day off, as we texted.
And it was super sunny. I just took the day to run to Home Depot and pick up a few things that we didn't have.
JESSE: So you ran to Home Depot, you said?
AMBER: Yea, it’s in Riverhead, so it took maybe, I don’t know, 35 minutes to get there and um, you know Home Depot on a Sunday isn’t the most fun.
AMBER: But I got what I needed and I just rebuilt the frame, the 2x2 frame so it’s a half an inch shorter on the left now, so that is all set.
JESSE: Good.
AMBER: But I messed up the wire, just stupidly. So…
JESSE: What the, what was glued?
AMBER: Yea, because I had to obviously re-put on the little 2 inch 2x2 blocks. And then I drilled it in too soon and the stopper stopped it, you know what I’m saying?
JESSE: Mm’hmm.
AMBER: In order for me to drill the bottom. So it just means I have to replace the, I have, whatever, I’ll just run to the hardware store in town and get a, what is it? A 1/16th I think four-foot rod.
JESSE: Yea, I think that’s it.
AMBER: I’ll just redo that little part.
JESSE: But you’ll have to have another four-foot rod anyway because I don’t think that just two is enough, for as tall as you made it, so.
AMBER: Yea. Well, I have an extra one here, so. Um, I’ll make sure I have three total.
JESSE: OK. So the little plastic piece, did that break?
AMBER: It didn’t break actually that was some of what was some awesome about it. Like, it worked so well, that’s why I couldn’t, um, get it through, I don’t know how to explain what I did. Basically, I put in the three blocks—
AMBER: Having already strung the wire through.
JESSE: And glued it?
AMBER: Well, I glued it on the other frame. I rebuilt a whole new frame today.
JESSE: Right.
AMBER: So then, because I had already glued it on the old frame, I tried to just transfer it to the new frame—
AMBER: And I couldn't have done that had I screwed in the two inch blocks at a different time, but I didn’t and then I thought I could solve it by twisting it a little bit and pushing it in, but that just bent it. So now—
JESSE: I see, it’s bent, yea.
AMBER: Yea, so the good news about that is I know how to make the angles that I need to make for the locking mechanism because now I understand better how that wire bends, like how to get it at a 90-degree angle.
JESSE: Right.
AMBER: So that’s what is the bright side of having made this mistake and it’s no big deal ‘cause the hardware store has the 1/16th. So, that’s not a problem but I mostly just wanted to see what you thought I should do next. Like, I basically am at the same that I was yesterday, but with everything correct now. Like I’ve double-checked on the 2x4 frame and the 2x2 frame are right. All I have to do is swap out that wire, but everything else is correct.
JESSE: Ok, I need to ask you: that nylon spacer that glues the two pieces together, it, was it loose when you said you put the rod through it, it was loose? Was it real loose? Loose enough that you could put two pieces in there?
AMBER: Yea, so that’s what I did and then the superglue held it perfectly.
JESSE: OK, but I think I recommend re-doing that, but if you go to the hardware store get a nylon spacer that’s just a little bit—you cant test it with one of their round stock 1/16 inch rods that they have there. Just test it on there and see if it only allows one rod through, but if it slides but not, you know what I mean, not too loose, I would get another one and try to do it—well, if you don’t mind trying to, well if you’re going to replace the whole rod, you have to.
AMBER: Yea, I have to so that’s good advice. So you know, this is probably good of a mistake to have made on a couple levels.
JESSE: Yea, and so the next thing I would recommend is um, you can even do this after you put the plywood onto the frame so, I would, today I would just shoot uh, four screws like I showed in the video to put the plywood, or the plywood frame on top of the frame and shoot a screw into each one of the you know, corners there. So you’ll have four screws holding the plywood onto the frame. And then you can go ahead and finish the rods.

AMBER: Ok, but um, I rewatched that part of the video because I suspected that’s what you were going to say so just at like 12:55 I watched that little part—
JESSE: I saw that.
AMBER: Oh good. It’s always fun that you’re watching. But I guess I don’t really understand how to put the screw in like, what, because there isn’t a close-up which I understand because you were shooting on your iPad, how do I, like, where do I screw it, do I screw it into the 2x2 frame like, do you know what I mean?
JESSE: No, are you talking about the screw that holds the wheel?
AMBER: No, um right now, basically could you just say with words instead of the video how to put the 2x2 frame onto the plywood?
AMBER: I know you said 4 screws, but where or how?

JESSE: Um, when you had the 2x2 frame on the floor, you would take the plywood and have the outside--that’s the one that you’re going to paint--that side of the plywood, have it facing up. On the floor, and lay your frame on top of the plywood and then trace it with pencil and then you’ll know exactly where to shoot the, when you put the—leave the frame on the floor, don’t move it, don’t flip it in any other direction, just leave it, slide it off the two by, or, slide it off the plywood and then move the plywood on top of the frame and then you can line it up to where your pencil marks are and you’ll know from the opposite side where to shoot the screws, that they’ll meet where the frame is.
AMBER: And they meet in the corner? Like, in the thickest part of the corner, that’s where I’m shooting the screw?
JESSE: It don’t have to be in the corner, anywhere you’re not going to run into an existing screw that holds the frame together would be good. You know where the screws are that you put into the frame? Just try to avoid those.
AMBER: Yea. And I just need to get my left and right correct because the left side is the side with hinges and right side is the side with the lock.
JESSE: Right.
AMBER: And you said to leave room on the bottom for the 2x4--
JESSE: Right
AMBER: So really since my 2x4 frame isn’t in yet, I can trace both the 2x4 and the 2x2 frame on the plywood?
JESSE: You could do that.
AMBER: That might be a little more exact, you know?
JESSE: Yea. As long as you’re thinking of how the door is going to open and what you don’t want to rub up against the 2x4 frame, you know.

AMBER: Yea, because the left end of the two by, or sorry, the left edge of the plywood, only goes to the 2x2, it doesn’t go to the 2x4 which is an half an inch difference between the 2x2 and the 2x4 frame.
JESSE: Right. Yea.
AMBER: S basically if I accomplish um, if I accomplish the getting the plywood onto the 2x2 frame today what could I move on to without the rods as a next step? ‘Cause I’m going to build until 5pm Eastern today.
JESSE: OK. Um, next thing to do would be to cut another 2x2 for the top and the bottom that you’re going to mount your pipes to. Do you still have the clamps I gave you for the pipes?
AMBER: Sorry, say that again.
JESSE: The little clamps that hold the pipes on, the pipes have bearing on them.
AMBER: I’ll look, let me go get those ok?
JESSE: Yea. You’re going to be using that next.

AMBER: (holding up tools to camera) These?
JESSE: There’s a 30 second delay so I have to wait and see what you’re holding up.
AMBER: OK. I feel like Vanna White.
JESSE: (Laughing) Yea?
AMBER: Do you see them yet?
JESSE: I do now. Yes, that’s it. That’s what I’m talking about.
AMBER: OK, so um, why do I need more 2x2s?
JESSE: That’s what mounts those on. You mount the pipes onto the 2x2s. You know, um, um…
AMBER: Is that in the video?
JESSE: Yea. You’ll, I think you’ll have to be, if you lay those on the table and lay a clamp on one side and a clamp on the other, you know what I mean? Straddle the clamps left and right, on the nipples, on those pipes and you’ll see that, I think you’ll need more than just two inches.
AMBER: I’m sorry that I don’t understand. I’m holding the pipe, what is the nipple of the pipe?
JESSE: The pipe is a nipple, actually whenever you cut a short piece of pipe it’s known as a nipple. I don't know whoever made that up but it’s um, we’ll just call them pipes.

AMBER: Ok, but like…
JESSE: Unless you want to call them nipples. I don’t care.
AMBER: I like calling them nipples, but what do you mean, which end, because one end has a roller on it and the other end has um, threading.
JESSE: Right, don’t worry about the threads. They’re not even of use for this project. But, lay, uh, lay a pipe nipple onto the table with the bearing off the edge of the table.
AMBER: Ok, I’m going to do it right now and tell me if I’m doing it right.
JESSE: And then, I’m sure you’re doing it right but then lay the pipe—
AMBER: Hold on, because I’m not sure what the bearing is so that’s why I want to make sure that I’m doing it right.
JESSE: The bearing’s the thing on the end.
AMBER: The rolly thing.
JESSE: Right, yea.
AMBER: Ok, so I’m laying it on the table with the bearing uh—
JESSE: Hanging off the edge?
JESSE: And then that will allow the nipple to lay flat on the table, and then take one of those little straps and put it over the pipe and then put another strap on the pipe going the other direction. So now you’ll have two different holes to shoot that are probably more than 2 inches apart. That’s why you’re going to have to add another one of those 2x2s. Just to have more support for that--
AMBER: But where are on the frame am I putting these?
JESSE: You remember that time when you asked me what is that thing on the left side of the video?
AMBER: Oh yea.
JESSE: It’s right up against the bottom of the 2x2 on the hinge side.
AMBER: On the hinge side. So I put another little 2x2 thing over there?
JESSE: Well, vertically, yea.
AMBER: Vertically, but it’s going to be longer than 2 inches?
JESSE: Oh yea, its going to be as long as the pipe is. The nipple. It’s gotta be probably 6 or 7 inches I would guess.
AMBER: Why are there two nipples?
JESSE: One for the top and one for the bottom.
AMBER: Oh so I have to put one 2x2 six inch thing on the bottom, and one on the top?
JESSE: Well they’re going to be on the right side, or the left side of the frame, yea. Vertically.
AMBER: The left side, the hinge side. Vertically.
AMBER: One on the top, one on the bottom. Got you.

JESSE: Right. Because that will give the nipple something to mount to. And yea, once you get that far then you can set the door inside the 2x4 frame and see how those um, those bearings are going to line up so you know where to drill your hole saw.
AMBER: Oh because I have to…drill a—
JESSE: Drill a nest—
AMBER: Lock?
JESSE: No, for the bearings. On the hinge side. You’re going to have to have, you’re going to have to drill into the bottom and the top of the 2x4 frame to make a nest for the bearings to fit into.
AMBER: Oh, yea, yea, yea, yea. With the same hole saw that I already bought for the knot of wood?
JESSE: It has to be a hole saw that’s the same size as those bearings. I would guess they were probably about 2 inches. That's the thing I didn't’ measure anything, I just threw a lot of stuff together, and I thought well you could measure it and figure out what you had to work with, but I think it’s about 2 inches.
AMBER: Ok, same size as the bearing.
JESSE: A 6502 bearing. Uh, well, I can’t, I got my laptop here maybe I can look. Maybe I can look.
AMBER: No, that’s ok. I can go to the hardware store and ask for help. I really love to ask for help at the hardware store.

AMBER: ‘Cause mostly I think that when I go in there people don’t think that I’m getting anything serious, but this time I am.
AMBER: Yea. I’ll tell you what, it’s hard to find things at Home Depot. It’s such a big Home Depot. It really depends on asking a—usually a few different people—to help you find items.
JESSE: Yea, well here in town I have an Ace Hardware and I know where pretty much everything is.
AMBER: Well, you also know what tools are what. And you know what you’re looking for.
JESSE: I’m sorry, did I say 6502? I think it’s a 6302. 6502 is a computer chip. 6302 bearing, yea.
AMBER: Your brain is full of numbers that correspond to objects.
JESSE: Yea. Theres a lot of stuff I haven’t used in 20 years too.
AMBER: Wow. My brain does not connect numbers to objects at all. But I am into associative logic.
AMBER: Yea. Um, ok, so my first step is going to be to get the 2x2 frame onto the plywood by tracing and also using the 2x4 frame, trace wise. And then.—
JESSE: And then to see how it’s going to line up to your plywood. That would be a great idea.
AMBER: Yep, and then I’m going to shoot four screws into each corner of the plywood, not into any area that there are screws holding it together—
JESSE: Right.
AMBER: The 2x2 frame—
JESSE: Well, one screw in each corner, yea.
AMBER: One screw in each corner. Then I’m going to cut two different pieces of 2x2
and mount them onto the 2x2 frame on the top and bottom of the hinge side.
JESSE: Yea, I would guess what, I don’t know, as long as it’s long enough to cover, as long as it’s long enough to support your pipe nipple. I don’t know if I gave you a 6 or 7 inch long one, whichever it is.
AMBER: Yea. And then do I mount the nipple onto the 2x2 yet?
JESSE: Yea, um…
ANMBER: And how far do I do that? Just with the bearing, just barely pointing out, or with a little overlap?
JESSE: It doesn’t really matter because all you have to do is loosen the straps a little bit and then you can move the pipe nipple up and down as far as how deep you want the bearing to be but I would say at least get them mounted and take them back out. I mean as long as you have the straps and everything ready for them to be mounted, I would say…probably just leave them loose until get an idea of where you’re going to have to put the hole saw. Or make a hole in the 2x4 frame. Just leave them loose and move them up and down so you can like trace around them.
AMBER: OK. And it’s an actual hole that I will eventually put into the 2x4 frame, it’s not like a groove? It’s a hole?
JESSE: Well I wouldn’t make it—
AMBER: I’m not going to make it yet.
JESSE: I was going to say I would make it all the way through but, I mean, unless, unless the pipe nipple is long enough, it probably wouldn’t be a problem to make it all the way through but it would be a lot less work for you because I was going to have you only make the hole saw go down about ½ an inch and then take a wood chisel and chisel out all that instead of going all the way through. But it wouldn’t hurt to go all the way through. It would probably be a lot less work for you.
AMBER: But, what I guess I don’t get, because I just can’t picture the door going inside of the frame yet, so like, when the 2x2 frame goes inside the 2x4 frame it will have these nipples and bearings, or the bearings at least sticking out, and then those bearings go into the hole on a 2x4 and that is the hinge?

AMBER: Oh, all this time I didn’t get it.
JESSE: And then you’ll have to remember at the top of the plywood you’re going to have to cut off that notch so that when you open the door, there’s going to be a little bit of a notch for the clearance of that, that, the whole or the, the whole height of that plywood isn’t going to be able to be on the door. You’re going to have to cut out the notch on the left side so that you have something to clear the 2x4 frame when you open it.
AMBER: On the hinge side?
JESSE: And you’ll have to measure that and figure out what it’s going to be. It’s going to be probably at least an inch and a half, I would go maybe an inch and 3 quarters. Um, from the top to I think I showed you on the drawing I texted you, what you’ll have to cut out. It’s going to be, have to be at least as thick as the 2x4. Which the 2x4 is an inch and a half and I would even give it a little bit more clearance and maybe an inch and 3 quarters.
AMBER: Why do they call it a 2x4 if it’s an inch and a half?
JESSE: Good question, because, and I was going to tell you this and I think I did tell you in the videos I made but it was just too much and I cut out a lot of stuff that didn’t need to be said, imagine that because I do talk a lot I know. 2x4s, they cut them down rough, at the lumber yard, and they’re 2x4, 2 inches by 4 inches when they first start out, but then they have bark and a lot of rough edges on them so they run them through these planers that take all the edges off to make them smooth all around, and by the time they do that they’ve taken a quarter inch off of each side. And so you’ll have a quarter inch plus a quarter inch is a half inch, so a half inch less on each dimension, so instead of 2x4, it’s an inch and a half by 3 and a half.
AMBER: But why don't they just start with 2 and ½ and go to 2 if they’re going to call it 2x4?
JESSE: I know. I don’t know. I didn’t make it up. That’s what I was wondering too. I mean, it would make it a lot easier.
AMBER: But it is good to know and the 2x2s aren’t 2x2 either so that—
JESSE: No, they’re not. I just found that out when I was doing that door for you when I was making the videos.

AMBER: Well, I’m glad to have been part of some cool—
JESSE: Learning.
AMBER: Because you provided me so much. OK, so that seems like a good plan for today, but um, oh, can I show you something else too? Can I bring something up to the Livestream camera?
JESSE: Sure and then, and then while you’re doing that I’ll keep talking and in 30 seconds I might be done talking.
JESSE: When you were talking to Mahtek yesterday, speaking of associative logic, all the things that you said that you put together as far as dates and um, other similarities and things, I thought was really cool when I was listening to that. It was either Davecat or Mahtek that was talking about how you connected a lot of things and I thought that was really cool.
AMBER: Yea, because we were talking about the fact that 1998 was the year that Mahtek and Davecat, or not we were talking about, oh it’s Davecat. In 1998 was a year having to do with Sidore and with the doll community that I’m now blanking on. Oh my god. But also I was just mentioning that was the year I graduated high school and the year that you got Heather.
AMBER: But yea, I like to make those connections. That’s some of what we’re doing together.
AMBER: Ok, I’m going to hold this up to the Doll Closet, or to the livestream. And then you will guess what it is and you’ll tell me if you think it’s cool or not. Ok. (2:32:05 approaches camera)
JESSE: I’m still here I'm just waiting.
JESSE: I think at this point there’s more than 30 seconds of a delay. Here you come to the camera now.
AMBER: Ok. Yea, we’re using a different camera today to stream so I think it’s going to be more of a delay.
JESSE: That looks like it’s an antique piece of wood that was beaten with something to make it look like it’s got wear marks on it.
AMBER: You know what it is?
AMBER: I couldn’t stand in the right place for the camera, the camera is set up to shoot this whole set and not for something close up. But what it is is door molding that has a leaf pattern on it.
JESSE: Ok, yea.
AMBER: I remember you saying that I had to do the um,
JESSE: Molding
AMBER: Molding to cover up the gap that will be between the 2x2 frame and the 2x4 frame—
JESSE: Right.
AMBER: And so I hope this covers, it was the wider one of the options—
JESSE: That would be nice.
AMBER: Yea and I also, it just like reminded me of something that would be in my fathers house, which reminds me of your house.
AMBER: Yea, ‘cause you know just like kind of, I don’t know there’s something a little bit um…something a little Midwestern about it and also the other thing I liked about it is it related to—remember Ace’s doll closet that he posted pictures of and he put those fake flowers in so it made a little garland?
AMBER: It also reminds me of that so it’s a little bit in honor of the pictures that people posted.

JESSE: That’s nice.
AMBER: So I guess the other thing that I can do today if I still have time after the other tasks, is paint that white after cutting it to size.
JESSE: Yea. Have you, you were painting something the other day. What was that? Were you painting some other trim?
AMBER: Yea, that’s the floorboard.
JESSE: Oh, ok.
AMBER: Yea, ‘cause you know, they get it all ready for you to stain, but I just thought white would look better in here.
JESSE: Ok, yea.
AMBER: Yea. I don’t know, the stain didn’t seem right. And then I do think I’m going to pain the door pink even though you know, it’s not accurate to your door. So doesn’t make for a close replica but I think, um, I don’t know, I just kind of want to see what it looks like all hidden like that.
JESSE: Yea. Ok.

JESSE: So that would be a good idea, it’s a little bit of different worlds of different people’s doll closets and ideas and um, yea colors of you know, like you said mine wasn’t painted but if it was painted it would be more hidden so that would be cool.
AMBER: But then again since I’m putting the door trim on it, maybe it is weird to paint it pink, but I guess if you were to have a secret, you know what I mean, if you were to have a secret door you wouldn’t put molding around it because that would like display the fact that it’s a door.
JESSE: Right.
AMBER: But we’re trying to make a replica of the fact that, and it’s clear in the pictures of the original doll closet that left hand side was trim because it butted up the—
JESSE: To the door, yea.
AMBER: To the doorway. So, but I have to kind of make it fit to this space too so I’m going to think more that about that. I’m not convinced actually that I’ll paint the molding or the door pink yet. I’m going to think more about it, but as we talk through--
JESSE: Well they--
AMBER: Sorry, go ahead.
JESSE: Oh, that’s all right, I was just going to say will they let you paint the wall pink around it?
AMBER: Oh, yea, yea. They’re going to let me paint the wall pink around it.
JESSE: Really? Ok, well then you could leave it the way it is. Paint the wall pink and leave uh, the molding just on the left side white and leave the door the same color as I mean, normal plywood.
AMBER: So it would be like a pink wall, a white trim on the left and then plywood
JESSE: Yea. Then it would match what I have.
AMBER: Yea, if I only put the trim on the left?
AMBER: It would match yours.
AMBER: Would you rather I match yours?
JESSE: Oh, no it doesn’t matter to me, but I mean, that’s what I have and if you want to.
AMBER: I mean, that would be cool.
JESSE: Yea, um, it would be kind of a tribute because I wouldn’t put the, I probably when I get that door back I won’t use it in the same place so that would be, excuse me, kind of a tribute to what was and then it won’t be that way again.
JESSE: I’ll put it in the garage instead of in the house.
AMBER: Well you made my decision easy, then. So I’m going to do the walls pink, I’m going to do the molding white, and I’m going to do the door plywood.
AMBER: And that’s what you’re saying would match yours the best, right?
JESSE: Yea, that sounds good because I didn’t even realize that they were going to let you paint the wall. I thought you were just going to pain the plywood.
AMBER: Oh, no, no. Watermill is super, super accommodating.

JESSE: Wow, ok.
AMBER: Yea. And also I should mention that everyone has been really supportive, not only of the project, but also has been really interested to hear what you have to say in the call ins, and the transcripts have been a really important part of the project too, so. I’ve only gotten compliments.
JESSE: Great.
AMBER: And I want to pass those along to you since you really made this possible.
JESSE: Oh, thanks. That’s nice to know.
AMBER: yea.
JESSE: I read some of the transcripts yesterday and I think it was from the first day and I didn’t realize there were so many dropouts and a lot of indeterminable things but—they typed into the script “ind.”
AMBER: But you know we can go—what we’re doing is I have a close friend who is super skilled at transcribing and she’s transcribing the from streaming footage, but you know, we obviously had really good audio on our camera end, so we can go in and fill that in, once we import all the footage, which we’ve done but we just don’t, basically we don’t have the time at night to go through every single thing.
JESSE: And once you get my audio footage, which I’ll put up on that same drive for you to download, um, it will be kind of neat to see, it will be kind of, it’ll kind of be confusing if you’re looking at the video and seeing why we were looing puzzled because in each case the audio will be filled in from both sides.
AMBER: Right.
JESSE: But we’re looking like we can’t hear anything.
AMBER: That’s so true. But at the same time, you know, we can cut away to something else that’s happening in the room since we’re shooting with multiple cameras.
JESSE: OK. And you probably won’t want to use that first twenty minutes when we were trying to figure out how to get the best sound anyway, so.
AMBER: Probably not, but you never know.

AMBER: Ok, wait. I had one other question because I think that the other thing I can do um, so basically it will take like two seconds to cut the molding on the saw, on the table saw and then paint it white. I also have to cut the floorboard for the size of this room. But that’s not all going to take very long, so I could really move on to like a 4th task this afternoon, which would be to get the knot of wood, but yesterday—or the day before’s knot of wood was such a failure because it all fell apart.
JESSE: Mm’hm. Ok.
AMBER: So I don’t know if you had any other tips on that?
JESSE: Um…yea, if you have another knot there, just I would look at it closely and make sure there’s not a lot of sap in it. If there’s a lot of sap in it, it’s more than likely that it’s going to fall apart once it you know, get’s a little bit of torque on it.
JESSE: It’s either that or, use the knot that's in my old door. You could, you could you know, you could go ahead and cut that out.
AMBER: I don’t want to mess with the original door.
JESSE: I mean if you had to you could use that knot, if you can’t find one.
AMBER: Yea. Well, that’s a very generous offer. I will think about that.
JESSE: But then, I would like it back as you know—
AMBER: Yea, obviously. Well, what I’ll do is try to um…’cause I found just the most knotty piece of plywood you could imagine. So I have a lot to try on. And I’ll just try and hopefully one of these will work. I still feel confused why we used the same size hole saw to drill out the um, oh, I know, you told me, because tools aren’t very precise.
JESSE: Right.

AMBER: So what I’ll do is the masking tape option. Um, and then I can’t do anything more with the locking mechanism—that circle that you drilled out for me at your house—without the rods, right? I can’t mess around with that today?
JESSE: You can mount it, maybe. You can mount it in the door on the plywood you know, with the bolt. Go that route. Get the bolt in there, and get ready to mount the wheel. I mean you have to put the bolt through the door where you’re going to put the wheel, but you also have to have it so that the bolt gets drilled in at the halfway point where the top rod and the bottom rod are lining up. Does that make sense? You have to have the axis of the wheel in the middle of where the top and the bottom rods line up. And actually, since that wheel was cut out with a 2 inch hole saw, I think, then you only have an inch between the center point of it and the outer edge and you probably don't’ want to go all the way to the outer edge or you won’t have anything for the rod to hold into. So you might just make the top rod be ¾ of an inch, you know you can get a straight line from that top rod, and then mark over about ¾ of an inch where you think you want to put that wheel and then it would have to be ¾ of an inch away from that straight line of that top rod.
AMBER: You know, I’m going to wait ‘till tomorrow on that.
AMBER: I just want to absorb what you said and play it back to myself. I’m sure I’ll understand it with a little time. So, we’ll revisit that tomorrow, but let me just go over with you what I’m going to do next. So I’m going to mount the 2x2 frame to the plywood. I’m going to mount the 6 to 7 inch 2x2 to the 2x2 frame. I’m going to put the nipples on the top and bottom of the hinge side, the left side, using the buckles.
AMBER: And um, the way that you showed me how. And I’m going to work on the um, knot of wood which will hide the lock. I’m going to cut the floorboard and I’m going to cut the molding and then I’m going to get the floorboard and the molding a second coat of paint, well a second coat of paint for the floorboard and a first coat of paint for the molding. And then I’m going to go to the hardware store after I’m done streaming and I’m going to get, so I have a total of 3 1/16th inch 4 foot rods, and then I’m going to get a um, hole saw that is the same size as a 6302 bearing.
JESSE: Make sure that that, look at the bearing, there should be a number on it somewhere, you can see the number engraved on it. I think it is a 6302. Um, yea. Go ahead.
AMBER: It says 6203 Z.
JESSE: 6203? See, I’m dyslexic.
AMBER: 6203, got it.
AMBER: Wait. 6203, yea. 6203 bearing, and I’ll take the bearing to the hardware store.
AMBER: And, um, now, should I mount the plywood to the 2x2 frame before cutting that groove out on the top of it?
JESSE: No, I don’t think you have to because it should be overlapping. It should be sticking up past that. You know, that’s a good idea. That’s another thing that, all you have to do is cut down as far as that 2x2 frame.
AMBER: So, should I do it before I mount it?
JESSE: Yea, you could.
AMBER: Or should I do it after, you tell me.
JESSE: It would probably be better just to go ahead and trace the top and the bottom of the outside edges of the 2x2 frame, and then cut that as the notch. And then, but you’ll have to figure out later where the hinge point is and cut it out, cut it at the top and make the vertical cuts after you figure out where the hinge pin, hinge point is. You know, in order, in other words, what, where exactly is that door going to be, where is the axis of the door? How’s it going to rotate. That’s what I’m getting at.
AMBER: I’ll, I’ll trace it but I won’t cut it yet.
JESSE: Yea, ok.

AMBER: OK. I guess that’s kind of all that I can accomplish today without the rods. And—
JESSE: Make sure you get that little nylon spacer too.
AMBER: Oh god, yea. And um 1 inch, but with less room on the inside.
JESSE: Yea. Make it so it fits pretty decent, of a fit, you know, not tight so you can’t move it but.
AMBER: Yea, Ok. Well, I think that’s probably all that I’ll get done before I have to stop, because the hardware closes at 5:30.
AMBER: So I’m going to shoot to build until it makes sense and then head over there. Um, gosh, do you think that since I’m as far as I am today, I could finish putting the door together tomorrow in order to have the last day just be painting?
JESSE: Um, there’s a little bit of, kind of stuff that I couldn't really tell you in the video. Because I don’t know exactly where you’re axis point for your hinge, where it’s going to swing and you know what I mean? The axis of the hinge determines exactly where you’re going to put your holes, your holes on the top and bottom of the 2x4 frame, and then, also the bending of the wires, getting them into the wheel. And the hardest part honestly, I think the hardest part is that lock cylinder itself. So, I’m thinking that if you move as far and fast as you can today, that lock cylinder itself takes a bit of experimenting. There’s different ways to put it together. And you want it to you want it to move a certain way, so you’re going to have to experiment with that to get it to move a certain way. And then you’re going to have to attach that wire from the lock cylinder to the wheel. But also, the mounting of the lock cylinder itself is kind of tricky.
AMBER: And for that, and the mounting of the lock cylinder also involves the drilling out using the—
JESSE: The hole saw.
AMBER: Um, no, hold on let me get the tool that I bought yesterday, ok?
JESSE: And the spade bit, yea.

(Amber holds a tool up to the camera)
AMBER: Ok, you’ll see it. It’s just a spade bit. But I use the spade bit having to do with the lock cylinder right?
JESSE: Yea, you’ll have to cut into the 2x2 frame on the bottom with the hole saw first, and then you’ll make a little, I don’t know if it was, it may be a 3 by a, a 3 inch by 3 inch, yea that’s the right bit. And then I made like a 3x3 inch piece out of plywood that you would drill the spade bit through in order to mount the lock cylinder into that little piece of plywood.
AMBER: But why am I using, I used the hole saw on the 2x2 frame on the lock side in addition to the hinge side?
JESSE: Yes. You’ll have to use a hole saw to make a hole for the bearings, the roller thing.
AMBER: Right, but the bearings are on the left side. They’re on the hinge side.
JESSE: Right.
AMBER: But why do I need to use the hole saw on the right side? On the 2x2 frame? What is that purpose?
JESSE: Because you have to have, you have to have a depth for that knot to slip into. Because your plywood is only ½ inch thick, and the knot itself is probably—that’s the point, the thing I just realized, why you’re not fell apart. Did you take it out of another piece of ½ inch plywood?
JESSE: Oh, then that’s probably why, yea the knot that I have in my door over there in the corner is probably a 3.4 inch and it held together pretty well. So if you want to you can use my knot. That would probably help a lot, but you have to drill out the 2x2 frame a certain depth, for the thickness of that knot, and also so you know so you mount your lock cylinder inside so it’s flush with the door.
AMBER: Oh, oh, so I use the hole saw in the 2x4 frame, not the 2x2 frame because—
JESSE: No, it is in the 2x2 frame at the bottom.

AMBER: But my hole saw might be bigger than the 2x2 frame. Let me go get my hole saw ok?
JESSE: Yea, I don’t think that really matters.
AMBER: Oh, ok.
JESSE: Well, you know, as long as it’s the same size as the knot, the hole saw that you use for the knot, it’s got to be that same size.
AMBER: I got it. So really there, even if I get as far as we described today, there still is a lot to do tomorrow?
JESSE: Yes, that lock is pretty tricky.
AMBER: OK. Ok, Well that’s just good to know and be and prepared for. I just wonder if there’s anything else I should be running to get, you know tonight when I go to the hardware store, is there anything you can anticipate I might need for tomorrow, during the tricky time of figuring out the knot? I mean, Watermill is amazing. They have so many tools, so I’ve really been able to get everything that I needed out of the shed for the most part, but there’s a few things that I, you know, grabbed. Like, it’s not like they have an endless supply of 1/16th inch rods for example.
JESSE: Right. I can’t think of anything, unless you I mean, as long as you have everything I described in the list and the only other thing I didn't’ say for sure was the hole saw for the size of the knot, which I should have included that. You know, you should get a hole saw, you know a separate hole saw for the knot and include that—
AMBER: Well, I have that.
JESSE: Yea, I know you do now. But that’s the only thing I can think of I forgot, so, as long as you follow that list, I think everything’s there.
AMBER: Oh, great.
JESSE: You have superglue obviously?
JESSE: I love superglue.
AMBER: I know.
JESSE: And tape, masking tape, so…um, I really don’t think there’s anything else.
AMBER: Ok. Well, that all sounds really good and I’ll just be prepared for that lock cylinder to be a little tricky and I’ll rewatch the video to prepare for that also and then what I anticipate having questions about it is you know, axis points and also exactly how that little circle works. Um, not the lock cylinder but the circle that--
JESSE: Right.
AMBER: Basically contains the wire. So, we’ll just deal with that tomorrow, though. I think I have some nice tasks at hand.
AMBER: For today.
AMBER: And I realized that you so kindly kind of jumped in and talked a little bit about what Davecat had to say about associative logic, and I wondered if you had any other you know, observations from the other night when we did the gosh, so much, it was 2 hours, it was you and me, me and Davecat, and me and Mahtek.
JESSE: Yesterday?
AMBER: Yea, the day before.
JESSE: I thought it was yesterday we talked to Davecat, you talked to Davecat and Mahtek. Was that the day before?
AMBER: Yea, it was the day before just because yesterday we took off.
JESSE: Right, ok, I’m sorry. Let me switch phones real quick. My one phone is starting to beep like the battery’s dying. But there’s another one here.
JESSE: So now I have them both on, does that sound weird? No, I guess not.
AMBER: No, I don't think so.
JESSE: It only sounded weird to me, ok. I, I kind of got carried away yesterday, I was having phone talking about it. I don't know. I think I did think of something but, what would you like to go on about?
AMBER: I’ve just wondered how it’s been feeling to share the way that you have been. Like, we’ve both been talking about the technical aspects of the closet, and talking about the closet as a metaphor, and you know—
JESSE: (coughs) Excuse me.
AMBER: That’s ok. Bless you.
JESSE: Thanks.
AMBER: You talked about Wisconsin, and you know, there was just some stories that I hadn’t heard and um, I wondered how it was to share those with me since we’re also Livestreaming, since we’ve talked a lot about this, but um, this content, this part of you life. But not necessarily for an audience, and now here we are talking about stories that we haven’t discussed before.
JESSE: Yea, well, was there, was there actually people in the studio yesterday, or the day before?
JESSE: As an audience, when I was saying all that?
JESSE: Ok. Well I just wonder if they seem surprised. Of course, they don’t know me, they don’t even what I look like but, I just wondered what kind of things people think when they know a grown man is doing that sort of thing and it’s, it’s, you know if you want to go on about the closet metaphor, it’s been a big part of my life as far as doing those sort of thing and no one knows about it unless when I got pulled over by the cops that one time if they said anything, and they may have ‘cause it’s a small community, but I never had anybody remind me of it, so I just assumed it was forgotten.
JESSE: So, the other times that I can think of besides the, the high school that I shared with you, that was kind of neat because the power was still on in the building and the lights were still on in the auditorium and I stood up on the stage and they just, and I felt like doing something, I felt like recording it or doing something but you know, who would care or who would believe me that I did that? You know, they would say I was a nut, that I did it to be funny, but I don’t know. There’s been a lot of times when I’ve taken off, even when my wife was still here with me, and, and I would have a bunch of stuff in the trunk of one of my cars, and my big car I would like in the middle of the night—since I didn’t sleep with her in the last couple years she lived here—
JESSE: I would sneak out and find a place, down at some places there was like a dead end road where they build a highway and the little county road stops because they built a highway and there’s no access to the four lanes highway here so, and then there was a cornfield all around, no one could see but it was fun. It was fun. (2:58:20) And I haven’t done it in a couple years but, I mean, it was fun siting on the hood of my car and being dressed like that as the big semis were going by on the highway and I was sitting right there.
JESSE: And but no one, I realized that no one driving down a highway at night is going to realize what I just passed unless they’re looking for it. Especially if it’s just all of a sudden in a clearing by a cornfield.
AMBER: Right. But you know, at Dollstock we were once with a number of truck drivers, and um, remember they told some stories about some things they’ve seen looking out?
JESSE: Mm’hm.
AMBER: So maybe it’s not so far off that they would have driven by and noticed.
JESSE: Well, what did you say? Where did you hear those stories?
AMBER: At Dollstock, remember?
JESSE: Dollstock?
AMBER: There were 2 truck drivers there.
JESSE: Right, ok. Yea, I just felt kind of weird sharing some of the stories knowing that possibly some of the guys from the doll community, the community that I know, they obviously never knew that about me, but it’s uh, like I said it’s one of the things that led me up to buying a doll in the first place and it kind of made me feel like since I have a doll, I don’t need to keep doing this, this sort of risky behavior, risk getting caught or whatever. But, in a way it’s kind of relieving to talk with somebody, even though I am live and maybe other people are hearing me. No one else knows me but you and the other, whoever else might be listening that I know from the doll community, but you’re in a way kind of a therapist, right now. And it’s fun to relate these stories because I always thought in my mind somebody’s going to know that I did this someday. They’re going to say, no you didn’t. No you didn’t. That’s stupid. Why would you do that? You couldn’t get away with that. Yes, I did.
AMBER: You sure did.
JESSE: I’ve, I’ve, you know I like old abandoned houses and stuff like that. It’s kind of neat to go into places where you know that it was a livelihood at one time and there’s a presence and a spirit all around you for, even though the people are gone and most of the furniture’s gone and, I don’t know.

JESSE: I like that kind of departure from normal life and that’s one of the things that dressing up did for me.
AMBER: Yea. Yea, I’m still really touched by the high school story because when you talked about it, you talked about the potential for there to be a time warp, which makes me think of some movies from the 80s that have really inspired my work with dolls like um, not that there’s a time warp in Weird Science but there’s like kind of that--
JESSE: Yea. They’re trying to build one.
AMBER: Yea, it’s kind of like that, I don’t know, that note or tone. It’s something that I think a lot about. The potential that right at the right or wrong moment all of that could shift, to be a little Sci-fi about it.
JESSE: That’s kind of what was exciting about it. I knew that there’s no such thing but just the fact that I’m standing there and not too long ago all by peers were in the audience, or up on the stage, and the principle was up on the stage. It was, it was kind of me, it was kind of a sexy, kind of a risky thing knowing that you’re standing there and what if boom, everybody was right there.
AMBER: Yea, right. Can you imagine being on that stage with an auditorium full of people that would accept you, dressed that way? I know that you’ve described you know, where you live and your general community is being compromised of people who you feel wouldn’t but what if you were in an auditorium of people who you know for sure would accept you? Would that change how you felt about dressing perhaps the way you want to dress, but in a public way?

JESSE: I don’t I don’t think so because like I shared with you the other day, I don’t do it for what I look like, it’s only for the feel of it and for my eyes only. I mean I like the, and I don’t know if anybody has ever realized this, but one of the appeals is you don’t as a man dressing like that you don’t look, most men anyway, at least me, I’ll just speak for myself, I don’t look in the mirror and think wow, “I look like a woman.” That’s not what I’m going for. It’s the feel of it and also, what I’m seeing with my eyes through the perspective of a woman that is dressed like that, or, had her nails done or whatever.
AMBER: Like Rhiannon, for example.
JESSE: Right, and that’s I’ve often thought of putting some optics up inside the eyes of Rhiannon, you know, and seeing what it looks like from her face looking out.
AMBER: Oh, wow. Yea. What if she wore the GoPro camera at Dollstock?
JESSE: Well, that’s the other thing. I have hooked up the Go Pro to the neck bolt and I almost tripped on the threads, because it wasn’t the exact thread pattern so I thought I better not do that so I need to do a little more research. But, the other thing is, if I even do that, I would like a 3 dimensional, since I’m such a technique, technological geek, I’d rather see it in 3D. It’d be the most realistic.
JESSE: So, thought about putting a small camera in each eye, but—
 JESSE: But that’s, that’s just a thought, you know. Whether I actually do it or not, I have so many other projects.
AMBER: You do, but if we wanted to collaborate on that together that could be interesting.
JESSE: Yea, it would.
AMBER: If I could, I would put cameras in my eyes for you.
JESSE: Really?
AMBER: Not permanently but—
AMBER: If there was some way—
JESSE: Some goggles that had cameras in them or something.
AMBER: Yea, I guess that’d be less invasive.

AMBER: Oh my gosh. I’m just thinking about that for a moment, and what that would be like for Rhiannon.
JESSE: Mm’hmm.
JESSE: Uh, yea it’s a always wondered what it would look like from a woman’s perspective, so again, it’s not, I’m not comfortable being around other people even if they were accepting because I know that I don't’ make a good, I don’t look good.
AMBER: What if you did look good?
JESSE: I would if it was done professionally, maybe. You know my sister has talked about, for my mom’s Halloween party, if I wanted to dress, I never, I never told my sister that I was into it. But she said, she brought it up. I was just half joking, my brother and I and my younger brother said they would be willing to go as women, and my sister said, “That would be so cool. I could do your makeup and stuff for you.” I thought, yea that would--but the thing is, the thing is I would be outted for sure, because I would have the right size shoes and everything, else and I would be almost perfect and my step dad, you know I told you I had a gay nephew? My stepdad is really, kind of not into that. He’s not, he tried to, when we were young he tried to get us to, my brother and I into baseball and he’d always buy us sports things and we weren’t into that, so. And, that would be kind of funny. I’m sure I would be outted if I showed up as a girl in my mom’s Halloween party because they would know that I put a lot more time into it than anybody else would.
AMBER: Except that you put a lot of time into a lot of things. Like you are--
JESSE: That’s true.
AMBER: A very exact and precise person, and uh, you know they know you to put a lot of time into cars and building and it’s part of personality. I’m not sure that, I mean, I don’t know them, but…
JESSE: Oh, you don’t know them?
AMBER: Yea, I don’t know them, but I suspect from the amount that I know you, from the extent that it’s possible for me to imagine the scenario, um, I do imagine it not being particularly surprising that you put a lot of effort to a costume since you put a lot of effort to a lot of things. Your proposal for example. I was there and that was really special. And that ring is gorgeous.
JESSE: Oh, thanks.
AMBER: Is that a ring that you would wear?
JESSE: Um, yea. I like the, it’s unique because it was, it was not um, a white diamond. It was a chocolate diamond and it was in rose gold and it had some white diamonds around the band, so um, that’s the first one. And she showed me last night the one that goes with it. There’s the wedding band that goes with it. And so, there’s a lot more diamonds on it than what I realized, ‘cause I just bought the ring and she said, ‘Well, there’s a band that goes with it.’
AMBER: How did she know that there’s a band that went with it? Did she look it up online?

AMBER: Oh, I see. I was just struck by the ring in person because I love rose gold. I love things that look like the color of my skin.
JESSE: Right, yea, it’s really unique and I want the same thing. She’s going to have to surprise me by picking me out something, because, I don’t know, maybe I’ll help her look at rings one of these days.
AMBER: Maybe you should have a rose gold one because it would—
JESSE: That’s what I want.
AMBER: Yea, that would be awesome. Well, cool. You’ll have to keep me posted about all that. And let’s, let’s talk more about the camera in the eyes thing. I’m wondering if there’s someway to collaborate.
JESSE: Excuse me, um, uh…let’s see what it would take.
AMBER: I mean some other time, I don’t mean to put you on the spot. But I think we should continue to talk about that, the way that we did over chat, like last spring after Lolita?
JESSE: Yea. And it would be an awesome way to have security also, because she would see an intruder, herself. I wouldn’t even have to--
AMBER: Oh my gosh, yea.
JESSE: And then, if I’m going to go that far I can put audio in the ears, so that it would record.
AMBER: Wow. And you know who would be really into that is Davecat, because he’s so into gynoids.
JESSE: Yea, I heard that. That’s cool.
JESSE: I always thought about that possibility but there’s just not as much, as far as the development of that stuff, there’s just not as much, the realism isn’t there yet as far as the, you know the beauty and stuff they’ve done so far. And the detail of the skin and the look, but I’m not even sure they’re ever even going to get as far as being movable, you know, by themselves, self-moving and acting, because that’s just so complicated. I can’t foresee that happening very soon, and that’s just a whole, a whole other ball game. I’ve seen some really good, some what do you call it—the robotics from the Japanese? It’s not animatronics, but whatever it is. They have a robot that actually walks now, but it takes so much mechanism and the size of the robot itself, in order to balance itself and everything, I don’t think we can incorporate that into a small, beautiful female body. I don’t think that’s anytime soon.
AMBER: Well, we’ll find out. But we could also kind of mess around with what we have, and do add-ons.
JESSE: And I’ve seen some of the sexbots that they’re working on in Germany and they’re just so crude and the way they move their hips and stuff, have you seen that?
JESSE: And they sound, they make so much noise they sound like a crude wind-up toy just gyrating on the floor and stuff. I don’t see how anybody could be into that, but, I hope they do for Davecat’s sake anyway, make some great strides in it. Because yea, I think he’s really into sci-fi a lot more than I am.
AMBER: Yea, definitely. He is, uh, he’s very into sci-fi and he’s also very into his role as the archivist of our community. So, I was thinking more about that last night and feeling really grateful just or all of you. You know?
JESSE: Yea, I didn’t realize that until I heard that, that he must have a picture of everything?
AMBER: Yea, he really does. And through the years, you know we met way back when, and through the years he’s always kind of checked in with me and asked for images from certain projects and he has a print, a photograph actually of Amber Doll that I shipped to him one year.

AMBER: Yea. I don’t remember which one he has. He actually was picking it…it must have been 2012. No, 2011. Um, he wrote an essay on my work, on Amber Doll/Tilikum. And in exchange—
JESSE: Really?
AMBER: I gave him…yea, a print, you know, a photograph and so he went through all the photographs that were available and he kept picking video stills, not realizing that they weren’t in the photograph category. It was a little unclear on my end. And um, so I don’t actually remember what photograph he chose. But, yea, he’s really on top of it.
AMBER: Yea. Well, anyway, I’m looking at time and realizing I should probably get building and I should let you get to your car stuff.
JESSE: Oh, yea. I have about 3 hours of daylight left I guess.
AMBER: Yea, all right. Well, you get to it and um, you have a good day off on Monday here, and I will just talk to you tomorrow. Does 11 work tomorrow. Or, I’m sorry, noon?
JESSE: Noon, yea. Noon is good.
AMBER: OK. Well just talk to you tomorrow, then.
AMBER: All right, bye Jesse.
JESSE: Good luck.
AMBER: Thanks.
JESSE: Bye. Yep.